Amarr had lot of systems, but after they got those, they already decided that they can not keep those.

So why to whine that CCP ruined everything? FW is going just as amarr wanted.

its been a lot of hard work for alot of us...

And you are?

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The moment you allowed WBR to be your lead corp was the moment you started to failcascade. It took the Caldari two years to recover from WBR. It might take you guys two years as well. But at least you can start the rebuiding process now.
/troll

No docking in systems not owned by your 'team'

So - I have never been to the Minnie/Amarr front. Is it more big fleets there? What is the main difference?

I just have no idea how you guys have less pvp. It has exploded on our side.

no they helped no doubt, but lead? no.

I would love for amarr to get an injection of members but me switching sides doesnt mean i dont have balls. i dont want to fight for amarr, ive fought for minmatar since 2009 ( on , off to null) and its part of who i am in game.

Mentlegen I would like to put my 2 cents in here. As the hilarity continues and the swine continue to lay blameless and point at another like apes flinging there own excrement Fate may have left FW but we have far from left the area as those who must adapt to the times we have adapted our goals were never FW Control but PVP and FW gave US a means to reach our goals. Willing to work with those around us but hesitant of those who have proven their worth on the battlefield . We are still here adapting and having fun shooting things last night was funny when there were 200 minmatar on and 70 amarr on and half of the amarr was Fate. Not gonna lie I thought it was funny and proceeded to kill anything that moved. Our goal was never to take control or be some grand stand for the ammarian empire for that is not the way of the potato or the fastest way to enjoy cream. We simply wanted to kill everything and in true pirate style (trigun is a pirate troll corp afterall) we decided to kill Anything that moved

Maybe because they were in FW prior to Inferno? I'm not sure why people keep hating on Lost Obsession bros for not being this crazy savior that they never had any intention to be or stated they would be. Its like being mad at Nulli Secunda for not moving to FW permanently.

In all honesty, Lost Obsession helped a lot more than people are willing to give them credit for.

Since we're now out of it i'll try to give an objective view of how things went down slightly prior to Inferno up until now, remember that in the end this is still just my view:

Prior to Inferno Minmatar made a big concerted plex effort to plex and conquer a great many systems - well done. Your dedication at spinning buttons was/is commendable.

As Inferno hit, you pushed even harder and you forced us to fight you till the it did. Lots of fun was had in that time for both parties involved.

After Inferno hit and it was still new, Minmatar had the upper hand on system control constantly with the ability to hit Tier 5 at will. Congratulations on this again very commendable effort. I wouldn't say that achieving this through the capture of systems prior to Inferno where we all agreed that it was a broken mechanic, was a gentleman's way of winning though. Regardless, well done.

Amarr then, at first a minority (mostly Lost Obsession) - later the rest of Amarr Militia too - figured out that it would be pointless as well as counterproductive to build a counterpressure to what at the time I referred to as the 'Minmatar Plex army onslaught'. So we adapted. We let you guys do the heavy lifting and conquer and plex systems and we farmed the hell out of your Tier 5 store you so conveniently gave us. More heavy assets than I can count were acquired through your efforts of the Tier 5 store. Thank you Minmatar, you made your enemies rich too.

Then there was the Goon fiasco. While the impact of the Goons on the Minmatar Warzone control is not easily quantifiable it had one significant impact: Morale. The surge Amarr Militia had felt as Inferno hit was effectively gone. This was also the time that the last of the smart players in Amarr Militia adapted and started farming the Minmatar LP store and just went out for PvP anytime the Minmatar weren't just running around trying to only capture plexes and avoid PvP.

And yes, maybe some of the criticism against Lost Obsession is justified. We were the group with the most firepower available within all of Amarr Militia (right up until Nulli joined). We were however never the group with the most manpower available. Since plex the plex conquest favors numbers over assets & firepower we never saw the purpose of throwing ships into the meat grinder when we could instead do what we always do which is get big fights anywhere we can.
Being the group with the most firepower available a great many in Amarr Militia expected us to lead them to get them into our fleets, to lead them to victory and to blow up Minmatar. The record shows that we took Amarr Militia into our fleets as soon as goals for Amarr Militia needed to be achieved and led them when trying to achieve these goals that would benefit all of Amarr Militia. But in those times we never put our expensive stuff on the line for people who would not show up with what was asked. The people who could be counted on to fly the same expensive stuff we did, always got invitations to join us on our 'extracurricular activities' and are still receiving them. So maybe the criticism isn't all that justified after all.

In the end, we play the game exactly how we choose to and we will continue to do so as long as we're around. We don't owe anybody anything (We owe our friends everything).

Thanks for all the good fights Minmatar, thanks for fighting the good fight Amarr, we enjoyed flying alongside and against most of you.

Last but not least, congratulations for 'winning the war' Minmatar. I'm sure you can pat yourselves on the back now. We will see if my predictions of your lack of foresight in terms of enemy management will come true. My bet was that as soon as you'd 'win the war' your targets would dry up and you'd have basically killed your own PvP grounds yourselves, but we'll see if that happens or not.

Oh by the way, we're not leaving the area, put more big stuff (bigger than Battlecruisers) into space and we shall have glorious explosions =)

On a side note, whoever said TMFED don't undock and if we do we stay pos'd go **** yourselves.

I do :P

I don't have time in EVE to **** about for 10-25minutes orbiting buttons, or **** talking while docked (although sometimes while working at home I use EVE as a chat client).

When playing EVE I head off and find stuff to shoot. If i stick round kam/kourm etc 1 of two things happens. i get blobbed or I attack people that don't know who we are/have the balls to fight us and **** them in the ass.

Yes we use boosters in the major systems.. as do minmatar so go **** yourselves.
Yes we have POS's in major warfare systems in FW because we can't dock.
Yes we pick our fights carefull because we know who's going to blob and dieing means wasting time traveling halfway across a warzone just to reship.
Yes we kite 90% of the time because we fight in systems where we are 4 or 5 of system full of 30 minmatar. Brawling means Dead and i am gutted because i love brawling :(

We do our fair share of gay ****... like smart bombing pods or sniping at stations but we don't kid ourselves. It's not legit space honourable PVP and we know that. It IS funny though if your bored (although I've only done suicide ganking as my funny PVP thing of choice).

TMFED are the best pvpers I have flown with, I've learnt more about small gang ops in TMFED from RTS, maz3r and the rest of the crew than I ever did anywhere else.
There are also few corps that love amarr AND all of Faction warfare.

So STFU :P

we are terrible though btw...........

p.s.
Gump has a specific comb for his beard

And all that makes me avoid 1v1 fights with your Corp, I can only think of one good fight I've had with TMFED and that was our SFI duel in Siseide.

And all those tactics encourage or require a blob to count it or we just avoid your corp in a 1v1 situation, No one can guarantee perfect fights everytime you just have to adapt to the situation and your enemies.

Okay - so let's play this out. Minmatar conquers all of Amarr lowsec systems. Amarr resorts to guerilla warfare and hit and run raids. We see lots of Minmatar chasing few Amarr. And then what?

I'm having a great time, don't get me wrong. Fly to system X. Open a plex. Wait 5 minutes. PvP. I killed 14 pilots yesterday and 11 were solo kills. Yay me.

However, if I were a dedicated PvPer on the Minmatar side I think I'd be a little sad at the lack of targets right now. The average number in Amarr militia chat yesterday was around 80. I saw that get down as low as 67 and it brushed 121 at one point in time too. Iron Oxide and LNA are well oiled machines. But how long can they keep their pilots happy when there's simply nothing to do? How long before those machines start to rust or suffer attrition? Yes, I'm sure someone will huff bluff about going to Caldari space or taking on Goons. (insert hysterical laughing here) - but is that really a satisfactory response? And will everyone want to do it?

The only real problem with the above is that it means that FW is not it's own system with checks and balances. In the eyes of CCP it is nothing more then a future proving ground for nullsec and wormhole pilots. One side loses and goes to to other things. The other side gets bored and follows. New pilots come in and the process repeats. I just think that FW deserves to be more then that.

WTS > 'Novelty' Daniel Carter Murray, Kuehnalt and Sync Vir toons

Training:
- Delicious tears without input/comedy/relevance to forum posts Specialist Level 5.
- Repetition Level 4.
- Advanced Butthurt Level 7.
- Tin Haterry Level 5.
- In dire need of intelligence/charisma remap.


WTB > Agony.

Offering 100 SFIs (know how much amarr love them) for DCM, I assume i make the payment to MasterNerdGuy?

because I like being the underdog

Hey if you cant have a reasonable 12 page rant about the state of FW, why not attack each other personally and slag off each others corps and stuff.

Thanks for raising the bar Dan.

Who said we failed? Many of us are still in the militia playing it how CCP saw fit, to make isk. We're still in Fwarmville :D